From Corporate Ladder To True Fulfillment: Redefining Success And Starting Over | With Karm Fung

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[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason we all seem to have this idea and our lives that the way that we create changes to work really, really hard to show up, to clock in, to do the things every single day, to walk the path way before us, and to hope on the backside of it somehow we find our identity, our fulfillment, and the things that make us click.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as many of us know and discover over time, that's certainly not true, and that holds true for my friend, and today's guest, Carms Fung, who is going to help us dive in deep about how to actually create and build the life that you want to have, even if you have to change everything that you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carms my friend, thank you for being here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me, Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to start here, because I know your story, we've known each other for a very long time, and in most people don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want you to tell us your journey from this amazing corporate career, the predetermined destination for carbs, and then the decision to do everything differently and find out who you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, when I was born, um, us a girl, it's a little bit difficult in the Asian culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you may know there's like this, the whole one child policy, where they, they're, where they think a boy will be better investment, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that believes sort of cascades to Hong Kong as well, a bit of that mindset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: From get go, I felt I was not really accepted like they wish I was a boy and that was difficult because even academically I didn't do as well as my brother and he's only one year older than me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when the reports card came out I was proof that I was less, which was really hard to accept.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my brother don't even remember this but I remember like it was yesterday when

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[SPEAKER_01]: report's card came out and he got top 10 and I'm like 50 dying like I'm really failing this in a society's perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I started having this mentality that's like okay well I can't change my gender and I can't change my intelligence but what can I do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could work three times harder than.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, if that's what it takes, and so I started doing that and I noticed there was progress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The following year in year two, I started making, I was 28 instead of 59.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my brother was still top 10, so I'm like, okay, but I made a huge progress and that was, that was enough for me to realize if you put effort to it, you actually will get better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from there, my parents got divorced, I came to Australia,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't know what a school I was really bad at English couldn't even speak it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was good at math.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's just an Asian stereotype but I was fulfilling that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started going in math competition and I was good at that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I started doing counting because that's all to do with numbers and I got as full as so I naturally just went into a counting even though I didn't like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That accounting journey ended up being a 15 year accounting journey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to climb the corporate ladder and be successful, wanted to wear the suit, I want people to accept me, feel respected, and handing out those business cards and getting the head nod.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, really after those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it after while I was like, I really don't want to do this until I'm 65.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like, you know, I grew up in a very different scenario, you know, not having parents who could care a school that really didn't care people thought I was a trouble maker, which which I was and I'll do respect, but also just a kid from the hood trying to figure out how to survive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt the pressure for me was, you know, I have to be in these gangs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to run these streets, sell drugs, get in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so that the peer pressure is there, it's just such from a such a different perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When when you were young and especially with like seeing your parents go through a divorce and being in this situation where you feel like you're second, I mean, what was the inner dialogue?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the conversation that you were having with yourself about all of the set was taking place?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to prove them wrong, but that would take time because I'm a child, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How can you prove them wrong?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think mentally I just played a really long game when I was in Australia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My parents weren't with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of got left here to live with my grandmother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she treated us pretty harsh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we had to do a lot of these house chores, which was all new for me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, a Hong Kong has no insects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I came to Australia, there's a horse horse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she would get us to like, pick berries and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll have insects raining on me now and then I'm super scary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, the spiders, there's all sorts of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so everything was really new,

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[SPEAKER_01]: trying to think about what you actually asked me, remind me about the pressure, to make sure I'm giving you this and you want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I'm just trying to understand your thought process and what you were thinking as you're trying to navigate all of us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just living surviving those days, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I really wanted my parents to come save me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I realized it wasn't happening because I started counting the days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was nine at the time I didn't have my parents so every day I was hoping they will come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it comes safely from this house and I started marking on the wall just to count the days and after about a hundred days I stopped counting because it's just I'm just given up now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my mentality was just

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's gonna come safe me, I need to help myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was all about what can I do to help this person, just to make the best out of the situation I'm in this house, and how do I get out as quick as possible?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was striving for freedom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when am I gonna get my car license?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew the moment I could like 17 and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be like out there getting my car driving and I knew before whatever job I could take to save money to do what I need to do and then also like move out of home as quickly as a camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I actually left home at 20 and I came to Sydney on my own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that I left right before I graduated high school, and by graduate, I mean, they've literally gave me the diploma and they're like, good luck, and I was like, there's, there's got to be something different here, because I, I always felt like, I don't know if you resonate with this, but I always felt like I was destined for more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was something that felt really true about that and still feels very true about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I'm always challenging and pushing myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had made this decision very young, where I thought the corporate way was going to be the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go whatever it takes, work hard, make a lot of money, and I did that, which was wild considering my background and having no high school diploma, no formal education.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I was in that, I remember these days sitting at this desk in cackies and a polo shirt and headphone on,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and just being miserable and thinking to myself like this can't be what I'm destined for and here's the craziest part of all that I was making more money than everyone I knew at twenty-one years old and it wasn't even close but every single day was completely completely miserable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You said you were doing it to prove people wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing it to prove myself right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I can do this and I did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as I was in it, I was like, actually, this is not what I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of people get trapped in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, this isn't actually what I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're 15 years into this career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the milestones that are happening as you're in this where you're like, this is not right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, something's off here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, firstly, the perspective of, yeah, proving people wrong, I think at some point that flip the little bit, because the more belief you have in yourself, because initially it's about pain, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just didn't want to be that person, that they underestimating me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, when I started to be able to do something, I guess it turned more positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so for example, one of the things I did was, um, I wanted to play a song to, to have mom come home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a small thing, but it's like a Beethoven song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I could do that and I didn't have technical training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That took me ages though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the ability to be able to do that made me realize when you put time into something, you can do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when it came to corporate,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was happy getting those promotions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, for probably for the first five years, I was really proud to get the promotion and making the money because that's what I was dreaming for, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think when it shifted, it was around when I hit 100,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because Dan, I really wanted that, because that felt like I was breaking the glass ceiling in the bamboo ceiling, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I got that, something shifted in terms of holy crap, like I can make this, I felt like I made it at that point because now I could afford, I wasn't so stressed, like I could pay my rent, I could buy the things I want, I could go to the dinners with my friend, and I'm not thinking about it, it's why I said counting every dollar type thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that was when I shifted to like, okay, so not all about money now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it that I want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I started looking at it differently, but I didn't know what I wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was probably the main problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, how do people know their passion or purpose?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where does it come from?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like somewhere in me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because I don't do it if I knew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I stayed in accounting for so long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: most people know how to get to the path of purpose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think that's one of those things where you can't just throw a dart at a board and hope for the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this happened for you, but for me I was sitting and was just thinking myself, like, this isn't what I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what I want, but whatever's happening, like that's not it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's happened many times in my life and I think a lot of it is can you honor who you are at the core of who you are even though it's really scary And I would have to assume and I don't know and you can tell me because I obviously did not live your childhood, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I hear stories like yours, I go, well, what's there even space for you to be yourself?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does someone who grows up in that kind of environment and deals with the voice and filling their second to their sibling and then getting carded off to, you know, Australia at nine years old and don't speak the language?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, how do you figure out who you are and all of that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, you look at

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[SPEAKER_00]: the research around adverse childhood experiences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're taking off the boxes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't have to go in your whole chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to know every horrible thing that happened to you as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, man, you're taking off these boxes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know there's this deep underlying space of discovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how did, I mean, did you have a dream as a kid?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine it was to be in a count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could have been, I don't know, but I'm just guessing not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I did have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did have a dream to wear the suit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also thought it maybe it represented success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be just one of those mentality images you have, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, the suit kind of meant you made it in society.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was definitely a portion of me that's like, I knew I wanted to work in the office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: more logical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, I don't want to be out in the sun, like be a construction worker, like what I'm walking down the street and see people working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't want to be one of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, my dad worked in government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, so maybe I kind of followed his full set without realizing, but yeah, I ended up going into, it took off me because it seemed like a safe job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets paid well, that's good benefit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in government, it seems like the safest path, but it's pretty hard to fire anyone in government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and it offered me a fair bit of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I dive into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to your point about how do you discover yourself is they even room for that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think all of a free childhood, I was a really boring person and that I didn't have a sense of who I am or even what interests I have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I followed my bigger brother a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was into video games and he would want to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: randomly get on a bus and go somewhere and we'll buy these insects or like bring home like a rabbit like we did all sorts of weird stuff as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we will do that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or was this come home with like a few chickens?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will never come out with those ideas, but he would, so I would kind of follow the things he would do it like breaking the rules a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then when we were in Australia, all of that went away because we had no rooms to do anything, like you'd presume.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just mentally hard, hard enough that me and my brother didn't even talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we were processing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: um, self in our own way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in some ways, I think my brother handled it harder than me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, maybe because in Hong Kong he was really loved by everybody because he's a boy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, the son of the first son, like my brother, my dad is like the first son.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's like a kind of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when he came to Australia, he handled it harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I even though it was hard, maybe because I already coped some of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He before, maybe I handled it slightly better than him, because he would be screaming at night, like he would have nightmares and wake up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how bad it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would scream so much, I'm just taking the covers and trying to be like, you can use this because I'm trying to sleep here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely no room to have anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We weren't allowed out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't stay over, no movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to the point that I think this might give a sense of what it was like for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had a teacher in year four, and she had an inkling of maybe how my life was, and she took me to the Easter show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: she asked for permission from my guardians to take me to the east to show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was like one of the best things I did for the whole year because I went allowed out of the house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's wild, and it's very different, but kind of parallels to some of our experiences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I spent a lot of time as a kid, just not really having any stability and not having the ability to also do things that were enjoyable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was funny, I was having a conversation with my therapist one time, and I was trying to explain to him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is like I don't have any happy childhood memories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that's true for you, but for me, I'm like, I don't have any happy childhood memories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was always something about not really being able to be me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the reason why I asked you that question couple moments ago was to like, lead over here because I'm curious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're in this corporate job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a lot of experience about understanding like, hey, you don't really get to be you, just follow the path, do what we tell you, you know, you're second to everything in every one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have this vision of, well, you know, this suit must mean success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very similar to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, give me a briefcase and airplanes and I think that means like I'm doing something with my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was in it in corporate and then I was in it and my first business that I built now 17 years ago and I would I just couldn't help but always just have these moments of being like this isn't really what I want and and so I had to step into this journey of unraveling myself and making really a decision about who I am and that was really difficult because as I sat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the cornerstone of turning the corner, I should say, of creating a massive shift in my life, everyone around me was like, you are out of your mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got that for a couple of reasons one because I was the most successful friend in my friend group by far financially, but I felt like I had to go and make this other decision and I'm having a conversation with my best my then best friend at the time and I was like, I'm going to leave this corporate job, I'm going to go do my own thing and he goes, you're crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You will never be that successful again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's a crazy thing to tell somebody when you're like 24 right, but people have these limited beliefs and people get stuck in trapped in in their own ideologies and and things that you know, I'm sure his parents told him and some curious as you decide to navigate this place of I'm going to do something different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did that look like for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know that there are people listening right now and they're like, I want to do something different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel stuck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this career is it for me, but I've got 10 years, 15 years, 20 years into this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What caused you to make a shift?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what was the shift light?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to give you some context on that, um, when I, when I came to Brisbane, people also didn't believe me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the same vein as you, I was the first person out of all our friends to graduate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was also the first person to leave the city.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was living in Brisbane and leave home and make the most money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I felt ahead at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I told people, I landed this job, I'm having a studio apartment in Sydney, or right in the middle of the city, they didn't believe me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they just, the person I had on the phone, I didn't want to tell many people because it was already like all new and I don't know how people would take it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend just laughed on the other side of the line, like, bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized, yeah, the limiting belief that people had about you or what's possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I very quickly thought, I can't have conversations with any of my friends, because I don't need to convince them where am I just am?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, already doing the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was really alone at Michael, and that was tough, because I left my family, I left all my friends, and I'm in this new city by myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but I learned to negotiate my way through it, which was interesting to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would go up to a real estate and go, hey, I'll give you X amount of dollars and I'll take the place tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all be like negotiating the rent, like right there, they'll be like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me a moment, I'm like, and here's my full-time contract to show you that I'm good for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they work, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that gave me confidence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, hey, I can do bold things even with nobody around me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like I was fulfilling the promise to the little kid that was like, I'll do, you know, I'll take care of myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like doing doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the question about when did I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always knew I didn't really want accounting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I needed the money to survive, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, what else am I going to do instead?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kept doing it as long as I was growing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at one point around years, seven in and into my career, I was like, I can't do this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I need to at least feel like I'm growing a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like, this is a way out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I asked my manager to pay for my MBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: had to write a business proposal brief type thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it went through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, man, that's like a lot of money, really, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's that kind of top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to pay for this thing myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the MBA did much for my career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be a waste of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, but it was something I felt I wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was something I thought people around me would be proud of even though when I graduated, I never invited them to the ceremony or do you believe in no, I didn't really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even tell my family, I just didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I had these weird pressure that wasn't directly from parents, but I just had it on myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, then after I got long service life, I'm like, this is really the time to get out like if there's a good time to get out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's now like what other time are you waiting for because before that I'll be like, but I'm only three years away from long service life there's like I'm only two years away, you know, so like 13 weeks of pay out like I wanted that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they say golden handcuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it really realizing what that term meant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, man, they feel like they really got me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm losing something by leaving now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I waited till then, and the company happened to have a finance transformation where they basically let go of all around 50 staff in finance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to reapply for the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just fire us in government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're all just displaced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if when you're displaced,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you don't secure a job back, you get redundancy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like, perfect opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna push for this because I wanna leave anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't go applying for the job they wanted me to apply which is my own job because my justification was like, what if you displace us, it means we're not good for that job, we're not suitable for that role, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why do I wanna reapply for my own job?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, that's finally asked, but yeah, that was kinda how I went about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went at a platform job that was like way above me, all right, like a group manager role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew they were going to give it to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew they want to you blood for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From there, I didn't get that job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they had an interesting conversation with me, all right, okay, Hans, where we're going to put you where you want to go, we're pretty much give you any job you want to, like, let us know any department, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I told them I won't be done this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I pushed for the payout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got paid over a year worth of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was enough for me to just take the jump and do something else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mind you, I stayed in this company for 11 years, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I was loyal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to stay there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, kind of person, and it was a hard jump, but it made sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did you assume that how did you figure out what to do next?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think this is multiple step froze.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first job was just getting out of that one place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I went to another government place, but now I got paid more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a better manager and then I had better culture as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, damn, changes a good, I should have jumped earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, I got a good pay out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did that job for another two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when I really live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when I made a plan go hang on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I start investing smarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was already investing property at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, you know what, I did the couch, and I'm like, I think I could leave before like 35.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, mid-30s, I thought it was leave corporate for good to figure out what I want, because I don't want to wait until 65 to enjoy my life when I'm old and maybe I won't be able to even climb like a mountain or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I left, and then that's when I fell into a really dark hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I would have all the happiness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I had enough money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could just chill it, do whatever I want, live the life on my own terms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's gonna be wonderful and it wasn't like all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought happiness, love, everything would just dissent up all me when you get to this point and I didn't get any of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the hard path.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's true for a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They think that once they walk away from something that it might bring them joy and it might bring them fulfillment and all those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have personally found that has never been true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought money would make me happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the belief.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I didn't feel happy, I felt like the whole fucking world lied to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this facade just broke in front of me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, all my life, I thought I'm gonna work so hard, I'm diligent, I'm a good person, I just grind my way and I do all these things and I make the money and like, yo, I won, I just like, go take quick, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't need to wait until 65, go take quick up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought it was gonna be this victory feeling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I even bought champagne, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like champagne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was drinking, celebrating my own success alone with a drink, I don't even like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I plumped it on the table and go, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just like, go make a living life and get us something wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of drink you actually like?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go, why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even in the moment, you bought a drink you don't even want for a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where, yeah, that facade broke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought, shit, like I wasted my whole life doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, okay, it's not a whole life yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's a long time, but what are we gonna do then?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we fucking gonna do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so my brain started going nuts over the next few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really needed a project just to shut down the noise, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started renovating my kitchen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what do I do when I have my own time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started doing all these other side projects just to, you know, not think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I started going on holidays and the usual things people do when they have time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after all the fun stuff and I sat back down,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, all right, what are we really doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I started doing like Kundalini.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I started doing energy work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: started doing meditation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the blue mountains and did 100 hours of meditation in 10 days, even though I'm the kind of person that can't sit still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, we're going to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because maybe you'll help us in some shape of form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's the worst?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to die?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was that was really the writing thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything I was thinking is like, you're not going to die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're just trying because there's nothing worse now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the meditation actually helped me a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly, I wasn't expecting it because I'd never meditate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just went like, really deep into her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that meditation for me has been a huge part of my life and my own transformation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in that space, you know, that darkness sounds like, how, what was the time between here I am sitting, here's this glass of champagne, this isn't who I am to, okay, now I think I have an idea about where I want to put my energy in my time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the timeline and how did you start to figure out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is where I'm going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do we help people listening right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in this transition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do we help them figure out how to figure out the thing that they're supposed to be doing with their life?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so to say people from the dark hall that I was in, which was two years, and it was a horrible time because I felt like a mentally we're getting unstable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't realize what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only retrospectively I knew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like the ego death of the accountant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally felt like I was dying and it was really hard because I couldn't tell my friends and I couldn't tell my family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because what am I gonna say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't wanna live, I feel like I'm dying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is useless, English, I don't even want to live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't say that, the thoughts are too dark and I don't want my family or friends to worry about me because realistically it's not like I'm gonna put again gun to my head and shoot like that's not the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why because I actually believe that our consciousness can continue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't believe that even if you died on earth, that's gonna save you from the pain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm just going to do another loop of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the point, you're like, just wasted 35 years and doing the whole loop from the start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yo, that's dumb game to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, you got to figure this shit out of this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to continue going to this loop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what forced me to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: keep moving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to get out, what I did was like, I gave myself an ultimatum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you're going to fucking figure this out in two years, like either make some money or find your purpose or do whatever the fuck you want to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So use that and try stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, it's like, what am I trying to pay for guitar lessons or dance lessons or like, you know, what am I really trying to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after doing putting money into sort of different interests that didn't really go anywhere, I still didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I forced myself back into a job because at this point, I was like, no, you're mentally losing them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you have no discipline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're waking up at God knows what hours it turned into like 11 a.m. to like, I'll just sleep down to like 1 p.m. or something, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching burning through Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just being a latch just melting into my couch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was so meaningless that I'm like this is worse than like being in the office You might as well just go back to a job then, but I'm like fuck I can't like I work all this life to this point Why would I go back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, what are the rules we're playing to let's do something Logical and I made myself go, okay, we got to look at the jobs and we will only take up jobs that you will do even if you didn't get paid

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like seriously, what job would you take right so only apply for those don't it can't be accounting because I'm like you don't you don't like accounting so we cannot go back to that even though that's the strength at this point right so I'm like okay so only apply for three jobs which was one was bread ball because I just thought they had a cool brand I like there the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the whole energy thing, I'd just like what they represent it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, don't be pretty fun to work there, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've had that applied for Audi, like the car, because I was just watching Iron Man and...

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I made pulls up and he's out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I want that, I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, that's a cool look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe I can drive for another, it's like, it's just stupid shit, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But stuff that you kind of wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, that Audi was actually within walking distance from me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, you know, how cool would it be to work?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like literally to support five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd go work drive for fun car, and then you come home, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that would be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the third job was like in a different industry, was actually a banking job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's like when I read the job spec, it was like, you know, I'm the perfect candidate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is nobody out into the world that would be better at this job than me, because I literally take the everything, even all the nights to have boxes and they were really obscure things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we were an optional, lean, six-sing mile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think we were like the most obscure thing and I had those skills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, there's nobody that's going to have fulfill all this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I go and write this cover letter, even though I had no no experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, had a really good hawk in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a terminology I had in my mind that then, but I know I needed a good opening for them to pay attention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Throught in even though all the job recruiters wouldn't help me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, I can only give you a government job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have a cushy government job even for like 160.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the offer I had at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're like, I can't get you a job outside of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they pigeoned for me and I needed to prove them wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the proven wrong thing came back to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got the job on my own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the proof I needed the stepping stone that I could go out of the box people were putting me in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From there was that really helped me being in that job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it was a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a project lead, and I had a team with me that was delivering projects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my manager gave me freedom that every Wednesday, I could teach the team something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like bonding exercise, and I could share whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't have to be from the organization training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I could just be like, hey, today we're playing like, just the music designer, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, oh, that icebreaker,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, hey, we're going to talk about growth mindset today, first fix mindset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like we could just talk about stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because you gave me freedom of that and people enjoyed it, I was like, I really like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I resign and started doing coaching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's pause.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's funny because I think sometimes when people get lost, their first inclinition is to go back to the known.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go back to just a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just put me in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of the things that also happens a lot is that, you know, you, you, in these darkest times, which, and I've been there, too, and I'm, you know, I'm coming out of another dark night of the soul, something I've shared recently on this show where I, you know, top of the world, I'm crushing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things are going well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in this interesting relationship, and I had a lot of money coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was coaching all these people and getting flown around the world to go and speak, and, and I just kind of sat in all one day and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't, I was on a parallel track, but it wasn't the track, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like I was close, but I wasn't hitting the mark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I pulled back and I realized probably last this time last year, I was in a dark place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was in this place where I was like, man, I've built all of this over the course of the last decade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, obviously,

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[SPEAKER_00]: seven, eight years ago, whatever that was at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I realized in about December of last year, so now that was about seven months, eight months, whatever that is, I was looking at my life, and I thought to myself, wait a second, you just have to get back to the thing that brings you fulfillment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter about the money, it doesn't matter about the success, it doesn't matter all of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you had a really great point, you're like, what could I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would I do anyway?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I would go oddity or red bull or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that people forget that it's okay to go do things that you actually might enjoy doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't put yourself out there, they're never going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to walk away, to go and do your own thing, and be like, I'm going to go coach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to learn how to walk down this path of helping people building a business of creating an impact and change in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if in some capacity,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If every person can get to that place, I'm not saying you have to be a coach, I don't think you have to have a podcast, you don't have to write books, you don't have to do any of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you find the thing that is of service to other people, I think that's where you find fulfillment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where you find purpose is when you take a step back and you realize it's actually about the betterment of everyone around you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you see people all the time who are millionaires and billionaires who take their life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like because they were chasing money, they were interested in making the warm-up better place or helping or creating a significant change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as hard as it is to say that and it's very sad, we get so caught up and you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Australia is starting to seem like America junior kind of mixed with the UK in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of really bad policies happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are changing the way that they're looking up the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Money and success is starting to be a driver, celebrity starting to be a thing bigger than it has ever been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I only know this because I've spent a lot of time down in Southeast Asia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Australia, like friends who who live there, you are one of them obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that people are missing the point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go back to where we kind of open this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the point of all of this journey of life is very simply to go and be fulfilled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I sit and I look at,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have never been, this is gonna, this is gonna miss the mark for 99% of people listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that, but it's a contextual piece that I wanna say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have never been on a private plane that felt as good as sitting and eating dinner with a bunch of people, when I'm at a convention, and I just got off the stage, and they want to be in connection with me, so that I can hear about their story in their journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's never been a situation where it's me and some store buying something expensive that feels better than a coaching call and a client who's just like, man, I just feel like I've got the path in front of me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just have come to realize it's really all about fulfillment, all of it, this whole journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I recognize that you're like, yeah, the consciousness

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't care if you die, you come back a thousand times, you're not bringing that with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if somebody is listening,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, I hear this and I understand what you guys are talking about, but I'm scared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because you walked away from another corporate job to go start a company business, which most people would say is really, really dumb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ask me how I know, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, what would you say to those people, we're like, I know that there's something else, I know I should chase fulfillment, I know that the money isn't there, but I'm scared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael, I loved how you brought up the film, that's exactly what I realized I missed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the people that feels empty will realize that is the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I realized the fulfillment piece was, when I was so boss, I went to a Tony Robyn seminar, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he went successful for film and it's the ultimate failure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fuck man, but I felt like a slap across the face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, fuck, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: For filming, oh man, I need that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I get myself some fulfillment, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the thing you're really asking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, people thought I scared, feel stuck, working they do, like, the fulfillment piece is the answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But how do we find the courage to find this piece?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's what breaks out hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, growing up,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in that household without guidance wanting to be safe but cannot and got no one to turn to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so difficult and like when you're young and you want to turn to your parents, you want to turn to some friend, but you can't even talk to your friends about it because you don't want to you have a front to put up and you're meant to protect your family, you don't want to put their reposition down or something and you have all this pressure and you can't voice it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on all of this, on a child or even to adults, they could be in situations where they just feel like they can't voice it, because who is safe to talk to?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this part that I feel breaks my heart is what, where I, my answer to fulfillment is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I left corporate again altogether after being in the black hole and having the stepping stone job,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, okay, what are you going to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to build a community and you want to help people, how are you doing it though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go, well, I know books because I read a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I read a lot of personal development books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I actually just do in my spare time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just nonfiction, self-help type books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go through tons of them in my spare time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I research for all ones and I try to find really cool things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought I could just share people some of that knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because Tony Robbins was the one kind of like stabbed me across the face, like metaphorically, I just want, hey, who wants to read a weight in the giant within with me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Five people said yes in Facebook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't have a meet social media presence then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, if we wanted to read with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a few people did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized they kept coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we read that book for three months, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you just kept coming back like they're saying, the five of us, like, they just kept coming back the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we finished the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They start through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we learned a lot through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we started bonding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We started talking about life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how we're going to implement it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was kind of fun for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And people go, well, what's the next book and I was thinking, what do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that was meant to be a one-off thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were like, wasn't gonna continue it, but because they asked, I'm like, well, I don't know, do you guys have a suggestion?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they go, well, what's your favorite book?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, how did you get to this point?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and they wanted the kind of financial aspect that I had, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was more the strength I had at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I think it grew rich, that helped me a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they go, what are you making?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I read that book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't help me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, let me explain it to you then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we started reading the book and I started giving how I implemented those learnings in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they found that super valuable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then book club grew really quickly from that, because people were enjoying the fact that I was sharing how I like the learnings and how I implemented it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we started doing it in dismantle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: this book club every every week and we'll read a book now we go okay well that's not read a book for three months but we introduce the book and then we'll start a new book the next month so if you enjoy it you finish a rest of it yourself so we'll start it on this path I randomly started going I want to make this the best book you've ever like I just

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh shit, after I said it, I was like, how do you make it the best book club ever?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what makes it better than other book clubs?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, maybe I can invite all of this in, but I don't be really fun, because who's doing that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe they'll come in, I'll just ask.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to fight into my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so I go and ask the author, and like he said, yes, they will sign an L.A. send it all at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like more a starting author, but he's got a bit of a person sound like he's actually in a lot of big stages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he said yes, and I'm like, oh shit, and also it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's coming and all this actually coming in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to make this even better, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I make it better?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I started like just making it, asking people like making sure they're coming in, making sure they know about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going in nuts on social media even though I don't like being on social.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the authors coming in through this book, I'm just like really energetic because I'm just excited in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this energy started transpiring even though people didn't know the book or the guy or like, who the heck I am, but like, just this person, that seems really energetic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they started coming in and they really enjoy the book and the reading and being able to engage directly with authors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then we, we want to, we're reading Lisa Bill, you spoke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then actually I saw your stuff too and I know all and I noticed I'm like, hey, Michael had connected to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before I had a market to her, I was actually looking at your post at some point and I remember reading what if your story of you going, you spent a lot of time to try and get her like yourself and not through somebody something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a story around this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, this guy is putting a lot of effort into how to get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do it, I can do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I found a saying out loud to book club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, I wonder what's the number?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how many books do we need to sell?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many reads do we need to have to catch Lisa's attention?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There has to be a number, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's the 50's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our two little is a 200.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's a 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a thousand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because a thousand five hundred, it's probably a little bit out of my band

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[SPEAKER_01]: marketing knowledge to do that at that point or the audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, it's 200, maybe if I'm still alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started to sing this out loud and somehow, I don't know how I'm like, or somebody, something they heard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the team members reached out to me and then they go, hey, Lisa heard about your book close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can come in on Friday and it's like three days later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, oh my fucking God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's like, is that gonna work out for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I'm so, like, don't wake up poker face because I'm used to work from my childhood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, yeah, that sounds amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, lock it in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, inside I'm like, I'm actually fucking my kind of place that's coming in, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like, from there, it's just got more, like, I got more energetic and static about this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, at least it's coming in the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, this is my nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just kept going from that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, to the point of how do we find

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[SPEAKER_01]: You go after the thing, not because you're making money, because book club is free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've done it for four years now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do it because it's fulfilling for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of where the money comes from, people would ask me, rest your spectacles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it's book club like a lead magnet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing on that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is the strategy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're meant, there's no strategy to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's doing it because I want to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's trying to find that business piece like you can't because that this isn't one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no money being made, but people get to know me from then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, they just knock on my door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can kind of do some coaching with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking for mental and suffer?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think I, one point was in your book club, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's your one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was my first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I, and the, the least of story just for time was simple, it was just, I had already had Tom on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I already had known Tom for 10 years at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her husband who started, Quest Nutrition and Impact Theory together,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I couldn't beg borrowers still to get Lisa on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, I'm just not going to stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have dinner with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like, when are you coming on the podcast?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so eventually I just wore her down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, I'm going to email you every other week and tell you, say yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm a DM you and I make you videos and looms and I make it show on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just because like, so much of that was was me being like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you want something you have to go for it and I've applied that to everything I've ever done in my life where it's like if you really want something like you have to be willing to not give up and I had a great mentor David Meltzer he still has a great mentor he goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No doesn't always mean no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No means it's not the right time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No means my dog just died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No means I'm going through divorce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No means I'm sick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No means my schedule is packed for the next eight months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No means hey follow up and and I have a five no role generally speaking and after you tell me no five times and I'll be like, okay, I'll ask you again in six months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's kind of the thing that people have to understand, you know, when you're when you're young, there there's something I think that we all have about this willingness to not feel shame or guilt about being told no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as an adult, we often can fill a lot of shame and guilt about asking for what we want and being told known.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We tie self-worth to it and we tie identity to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am fearless in the willingness to not care about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an I share something very similarly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says he has no fear of public embarrassment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like saying, I've been putting myself out here for over decade, all the mistakes, all the fouls, all the messes up and mess ups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'm still going to keep going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's times even in the podcast where over a thousand up, I'm like, there's bad episodes in here, it just, it's a thousand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not all going to be home runs, you know, and there's going to be times where the coaching of coach 3,000 people, I'm not always great at it, but I have a lot more experience than everyone else who just sits around thinking about doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think to your point what makes a lot of sense to me is go and find the thing that that you want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would do coaching and podcasting and writing books and speaking on stages for free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did for a long time because I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also know that the fulfillment only ever comes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in those moments in which you play your head on the pillow at the end of the day, you know, like, I did the thing I said I was going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my, I've said this, probably almost every episode of this show ever, my biggest fear of dying with regret.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only fear I have in life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not care about anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if long as I get up and I play the game, I know that I'm going to die fulfilled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That said, Carms, I appreciate you coming on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for spending time with me and this amazing audience today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before I ask you my last question, where can everyone find you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Learn more about book club, read your book, and more importantly, connect it with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they in a switch, they in a switch, yeah, you are creating system on magnetizing people well from freedom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we all need that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially now we need it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are in this place in your life where you're like, I need more, you need to go and connect with cars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you can go to thinkunbrokenpodcast.com with all the information and more in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My last question for you, my friend, what does it mean to you to be unbroken?

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[SPEAKER_01]: going after your dream, because the last thing when someone asked me when I walked out of that last job, they go, comes your very brave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I was a brave for you to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just said thank you externally, but in my head, I thought, I'm not brave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't want to die for regret.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So go after the thing you want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: die trying, you know, I think in the end die trying, you realize you actually succeed in a lot of steps and my dream is already bigger than I've ever had up to this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: beautifully said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish that upon all of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for being here my friend unbrokenation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you found any value in today's episode and you feel inspired, you feel like chasing fulfillment is a thing in front of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody else in your life may need that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I suggest that you share this with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe listen to this with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But most importantly, follow the steps and listen to yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's said, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and until next time my friends, be unbroken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see ya.