Charles Noonan - Being the Visionary of your own life | CPTSD and Trauma Coach

Michael: Hey! What's up, Unbroken Nation. Hope that you're doing well, wherever you are in the world today. I'm very excited to be back with you with another episode with my guest, Charles Noonan, who is an entrepreneur and business owner, who's on a mission to help create financial literacy and generational wealth in the world, which is a conversation I'm incredibly passionate about. And so, I'm very excited to have you on today, Charles, how are you, my friend?

Charles: I'm doing well, Mike. Thanks for having me.

Michael: Yeah, man. It's my pleasure and Michael, please. One of the things that is really important, I think in this conversation is first and foremost, tell us a little bit about you, your backstory, why you're so passionate about this, and what's led you to where you are today.

Charles: So, just digging in and we'll go a little bit back to just my upbringing. You know, I came from humble beginnings and one of the things as I grew and grew out of those spaces, I realized a lot of it, a lot of what helped me grow was the mindset that I had, the mindset of the individuals that I was around and actually claiming it. And you know, a lot of that stuff we were in situations with people that didn't have, and didn't come from privilege, but the mindset of I'll really dedicate it to my mom. She was just so passionate, so spiritual and so positive. I didn't know how poor I was until I became a teenager. So, we grew up 11 people in a three-family house, I didn't have my own bedroom until I went off to college. We had brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, sick family members had to come live in the same household. The beginnings were very humble and I was talking to a mentee of mine who was in a similar situation. And I remember finding out that money wasn't brown, red, and blue, and he said, what are you talking about? And I said, dude, that was food stamp. Right. They came in all different numerations and growing up, I thought that money was just those colors. Right. And the reason, I didn't know how poor I was, was again, because of the mindset of the people that raised me. We were poor financially, but mentally extremely strong. We never claimed it and we still lived in abundant life style with limited finances. So, just going as far back as I can remember, you know, standing on welfare lines with my parents and we brought all this free food home, right? All this government food home. And one of the things that my mom did, as soon as we got home, she cut up like the watermelon, she made sandwiches and everything. And she kind of opened up the food and the resources that we just got to other people in the neighborhood. So that's one of the things that, you know, just other kids on the block, right, because it was a poor community and we all didn't have, but once we got it, we shared it and it was really that mindset of her and it actually translated and got passed down to me when I really think back me and how I overcame quite a few hurdles and obstacles. It's really just a mental focus and a mental training that I adopted. So, to tie it all in, I just came from humble beginnings, I never really claimed it, I never used it as an excuse and I just grew level after level and excel to where my entire family, sisters, and brothers, we're all college graduates and all successful in our own right. And we really owe that to my mom and her mindset, because we had every reason to fail. Right. We had every reason to just go the wrong route, to give up, to go the wrong direction, but we just always knew and were trained mentally to succeed, to strive and to overcome adversity. So, you know, I'm here to tell my story that, you know, you can be faced with anything, any of these challenges, whether mental, physical, or whatever it is that if you really lock in and you're able to control or train your mind in a certain way, you can clearly overcome those things and I'm here to share it today.

Michael: Man, that's beautiful. You know, my thought sitting here was like, if everyone had a mom like yours, dude, how incredible would the world be? Because growing up in a situation myself, very poor, impoverished, food stamps, same thing, it was always like; I was in the opposite. Right? Which many people are, what do these people owe me? How do I get mine? You know, and that whole conversation. And it wasn't really, until I was out on my own in the world that I realized like, dude, nobody owes you anything. And you have to be willing to change your own personal narrative to be able to step into what's next. But I think so often, man, people just negotiate with themselves. They look at the world, they set these goals and then they just blame everybody else for why they can't recognizing what they're doing is really breaking agreements with themselves. And I know a big part of what you do and what's caused you to be successful is like creating these massive non-negotiables in your life. And so, I like to really start there and talk about how that mindset has allowed you to go all in on yourself and follow through.

Charles: Well, one of the things I learned very early on in life was to focus on a mental contract. Right. And it was a word that was passed down from early childhood. Right. And this stuff just comes from not having and having every reason to give up and to quit on things, we would always say, you know, I made this mental, or I would always say to myself, once I got of age to create mental contracts where you promise yourself that you're gonna do something. And oftentimes when I really dig down to a granular level, it's doing the work and completing the steps to become successful. So, there's times and I'll give a short example, a weight goal, right? I have a weight goal where I want to get down to a certain weight because I've been traveling a lot lately, I've been eating a ton of food on the road. I just got back from Italy and I tasted everything in every city that Italy had to offer and it was phenomenal, but I just made the mental agreement, the mental contract with myself that I was gonna get up and I was gonna go work out every single day for 30 days straight. Right? So, once I made that agreement and I made it a non-negotiable agreement in my head, the days that it happened to be a little too cold in New York and you shouldn't be running outside and you say to yourself, well, I already told myself that I'm running today so, I have to go run right? The days your legs hurt from yesterday's run, you think about not going, but you have to just honor that contract with yourself. And this makes you so much stronger mentally. And you say, you know, my ankle is hurting, but I already made the decision. I gotta get out there and I gotta go, my time may be slow because my ankle hurts. But you have that contract that you have to honor, and you just gotta get out there and go. And if you apply, one of it just happened to help me that mental skill set and that mindset happened to allow me to apply it in different areas in life and it's made me more successful than I could ever imagine.

Michael: Why does it matter though? You know what I mean? Because I think a lot of people will make an agreement with themselves and at the first sign of adversity, they'll bail and I've come to find in my own personal life that doesn't actually help me in any capacity. And so, how have you found not only why does it matter to you, but how has it actually benefited with yourself to not break that agreement with yourself?

Charles: So, the joy. Right. I'm a big sports guy, right? The joy and the growth is in the journey, when teams celebrate a championship, it's not so much that game that they're hugging and they're all over each other and NCAA is a pile up on each other. Right. It's the journey that matters. It's the journey where you become stronger mentally, you get better in shape every time you run, you're losing calories, you're building muscle. That is what makes you so much stronger. It's not that they won a game, they were better than the team on that day. But what it does for you mentally, and as an individual, it's just like mental training. So, when you don't give up, so winning the championship is great, but if you really pay close attention to sports, the loser is upset that day. But after a while, they really start to look at their journey as well. And what are the things I learned from a president in a corporate America, he taught me, ‘it's not what you do in life, but it's how you do it’. So oftentimes the second-place guy, he looks back at his journey and he says, you know what? We got up. We worked hard every day. We trained, we fought, we gave it our all, and you can also find that you'll be proud of yourself if you give it your all, right. So, if I don't lose this weight, but I come a pound, you know, I fall short by a pound, I'm still happy and I'm saying, geez, you know, I didn't get all the way down to 200, but I gave it all I had, I met people at the track. I ate better. I changed my diet and there's still a win there. So, I'm mentally strong and now I could do another mental contract. Right. I now have the ability to do mental contracts with myself and achieve different goals. So, it does matter when your ankle hurt is hurting and when you're faced with adversity, you just have to tell yourself, Hey, I signed the contract, right? So, I have to honor that. And it builds quite a bit of self-love and confidence in yourself because now, you know, you can do things I missed. If I missed 200 pounds and I'm 201, the next vacation, and I have to lose another 10, I'll say, all right, yeah, I know I'll eat freely saying, I know how to get this. Right. And you just become so more confident. And if you apply that to whatever goal you're trying to reach, the mental aspect is the key is the most important factor in success.

Michael: Yeah, I agree. And I think that there's something really palatable about those moments in time in which you actually push yourself. And I think there's a fine line, right, Charles, because I want people to always go hard and push themselves and see what they're capable of. But like, if you have a broken ankle, like you probably can't run. Right. And so, I think it's about doing it within the context of reality, there's very few people and I think we can think of some who could probably run out a broken ankle on the screensaver of my phone is Kobe Bryant on the night that I scored 81. And the reason why is because I always looked at him and I thought to myself, that is the mental ability, the physical ability that someone has when they get their mental ability in tune. And I think so many people just don't have the viewpoint of what it can be in their lives and we hinder ourselves and we keep ourselves small, especially when we come up in environments where we see suffering, I don't know if you know this or not, but your zip code is actually a greater indicator for success in your life than anything. And I think there's really a lot of different ways that we can get in to talk about that but when you grow up and you're looking at the world and you understand possibility, I think it changes everything. How important is your view and what you focus on in this journey?

Charles: It's everything and I'm still learning and still growing. Right? I recently passed, there's a milestone in my family from a financial aspect, but what I'm learning is, and this is something, again, you can all just date this stuff back to, when you really change the lens in which you view things with in life it just becomes a whole new world, right? It's like, if you ever see someone just put on a new pair of glasses that actually help their eyes, it's like, they're seeing everything completely different. So, oftentimes when I was younger, I would see things that I wouldn't think attainable. Right. But after seeing it and seeing it and seeing it, I said to myself, I'm gonna do that one day, I can get there one day and then you set your mind and you focus on those goals. But I think if you don't see it, and if it's not really in your circle or if it's just not something that you can visualize, or if it's not in your vision in a way that you can relate to oftentimes, it it's a lot harder, and this is why sometimes I may do things just to inspire people. Here's an example, oftentimes I have a Rolls-Royce and I have a Maybach that I drive, but it's not so much because I love the drive of those cars, it's really to inspire people around me. I'm very in tune with the New York city neighborhood that I grew up in and just to see the faces of the young guys, my kids play basketball. So, when I go around their teammates and they see those things, I really want them to understand, Hey, I know someone that is successful and now I feel like I can be successful too. I know someone who drives a Rolls-Royce, a Maybach, and all these other fancy sports ‘cause I'm a car fanatic by the way. Right. And I do it oftentimes not so much for me, but I know if I could be that for a younger person, I can change their life and say, Hey, you know, Caden's dad drives that car. I'm gonna get one too or it's super cool and its pro season a lot of those guys, they rented cars, they borrowed them from me and they used it for their proms and things like that. And that is a way that I use to give back in a sense that I want you guys to know that you guys can achieve whatever you want. It's really having that mindset.

Michael: Yeah. And I would guess, and I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but I'd love for you to go into this. When I hear you say that, I think to myself, that car, that status as a symbol is just simply a marker of possibility. Right? I don't know that that is the definition of success. Is that what you're saying?

Charles: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So, for me seeing things, and as the I older I got and the more I got around successful people and the more I got around people whose mindset was very different or more advanced than mine, the more I believed I could do these things. So, it's all about possibility, it's all about me showing kids and individuals and those neighborhoods that it's possible. And it's possible from someone that looks just like you. Right. I came from where you guys are, I wanted to really touch on corporate social responsibility a little bit today, that's a concept I learned where companies make it really big. Right. And then they start to look back and say, Hey, we're responsible to communities to give back and to show them that they too can grow and, you know, it's a responsibility to give back to those communities and show that they can be successful as well, and possibly build companies from a starting point to a large market company.

Michael: I actually love that. We're about to broach this conversation because you know, many people who listen to show know this, but I'll share it with you. At 20 years old, I landed a job with a fortune 10 company, no high school diploma, no college education and for me it was like, okay, cool, I just seen it. Right. One of my friends had gotten a job working for a similar corporation and I thought to myself, oh, if this guy can do it, I can do this too. And my marker for it was like, this is the kid I used to get stoned with and skip school like if he can do it, can figure it out. Right. And so, I landed this job, I'm in corporate I'm with this fortune 10 company, I'm in it for a little bit, over five year during that time, I wasted pretty much the vast majority of that money. Let's be clear about that, but what I learned so much and one of the things that made me never want to work for a corporation again, but instead going to entrepreneurship was the lack of responsibility that they had in giving back. And I remember we would just sit here, I would look at the sales numbers I would pull in and I would rack up dude, 15 million in sales for these guys in a year and they would give nothing to our community, nothing to where we come from. You know, they would do the cancer run and shit like that but like, everybody does it, that's not responsibility to me. So, I would love for you to go into that ‘cause I think this matters in the conversation that we're having right now. What is corporate responsibility and why is it actually important?

Charles: So, you are right and in your saying that, because my first couple of jobs, there was no such thing as corporate social responsibility. Right. It's fairly a new term, but I think it comes from guys like you and I making it to those corporations and saying, Hey, we made X amount of money what are we doing or the company I was with allowed you to give a grant to charities of your choice. And I was just saying, Hey, like $4,000, we're a billion-dollar company, is there anything else we can do? Right. So, I dragged those companies out to events, to basketball events and have them maybe change the rims in certain neighborhoods. I had a company, I don't know if I could say the name, but I had a company repave the parks in the neighborhood that I grew up in and it's an initially corporations weren't doing it. Right. And they weren't as involved. But now I'll say over the last 10 years we see corporate social responsibility taking charge. And I think it had to come from a place or guys like you and I to challenge these corporations to start to give back and do things in the community in which their customers probably help them grow and get to the level that they're at.

Michael: Yeah. Why is that important though? Because I think that a lot of people, I would say probably the vast majority of people listening to this show are not entrepreneurs as is really most of the country. And I think people feel like they're too small to make that difference that they will walk into boardrooms or they'll walk into meetings and they'll be dismissed, but I've come to find that's not necessarily the case, but why do you think it's important for us to be socially responsible in this capacity?

Charles: Because there are changes that are needed in communities that they may not know about. Right. So, it's important for individuals like you and I, and companies do have allotment for charity and things like that and a corporate social responsibility sector. Right. It's important because the money’s that they give and it can also be time, right? So, it's at any level, once you become an entrepreneur, you can control your time, your money and everything else of the business that you're in, but whatever, we're finding that, giving back, going back to the communities in which you came from, oftentimes we're finding that people can relate in certain areas. One of the things that I'm seeing now is mental health corporations are really starting to put a strong focus on mental health, his mental health drives, I think Kevin Love was probably one of the first NBA players to come out and say he had some issues with mental health. And I think it raised awareness and with guys like you and I speaking up, let's just say, Kevin Love, for example, raising that awareness it's important because it could help so many other. Right. So, whatever it is, wherever the corporations decide that they want to pitch in and help out, there's such a need for it in a mental health space. I mean, I think we can change neighborhoods and try to decrease the level of violence that happens in certain neighborhoods. There's so many things that can change people's lives and it's just a matter of touching them and saying, you don't have to go that route, there's stop the violence campaigns, there's so many different things that corporations can do and partake in that can really change kids' lives. A lot of the mental focus and the mindset that I gather and that I draw from was when I was a kid, right? It started just at the very early age and then again, the things we talked about earlier, the things that you see, right? And you see someone that says, Hey, I work at IBM American express or these large internet companies and you start to understand that you can do it too again, we talk about the possibility. So, it's important to be able to touch people, it's important to be able to share your story and share those success stories with people that are less fortunate and really don't have that role navigated for them to show them that, Hey, it's possible that you guys can get here as well.

Michael: Yeah. And I think that's so incredibly important. And to your point about time, I mean, even if you want to create change in your corporation, like a lot of it does start with you just giving your time, but I want to go back to something cuz I think it's important and you've used the word vision a couple of times and I know that being a visionary in my own life with my mission of ending generational trauma and creating change in my lifetime is what drives me. And I think often people don't know how to touch vision, don't know how to figure that out, don't know how to like, have the capacity for understanding and it doesn't have to be like this massive global change, sometimes it can be like little things, like, I mean, getting out debt, for instance, if you're not watching the show on YouTube right now, Charles has a shirt on and I'd love for you to read that shirt, Charles, but I'd also love for you to talk about vision.

Charles: Yeah. So, I have a company Charles Noonan and incorporated where we teach individuals how to create generational wealth through real estate. Right. And I'll talk about the vision, but it says generational wealth, not debt. So, I was finding that a lot of the individuals that are around me that are investing in real estate, they're investing and they're leveraging huge amounts of debt for just to get into real estate. And I've really learned that they were doing it backwards so I came up with the concept of investing in real estate to create, making sure that you're creating wealth, not debt. So, and again, so here's how it ties in, right? Early childhood we had be visionaries for anything that was a step or two more than something that was where we were in our current state of poverty. Right. It's seeing people own businesses, it's seeing individuals go to college, go to grad school and then becoming successful in their respective careers. So, the visionary piece comes from, and the focus of my real estate investment course and my mentorship and it is funny because I'm actually starting to realize this. We specialize in helping individuals who want to get into real estate that have little to no resources like I did. Right. But the visionary piece comes in and I specialize in teaching individuals how to buy vacant homes, broken, abandoned, dilapidated houses. After hearing my story, you'll find that doesn't surprise you. Right? So, part of our slogan is we turn vacant properties into vibrant properties. And a lot of people on the internet know me from the guy that turns vacant to vibrant, but it just comes from being a visionary at a very early age. So, there's always talk about, there's a shortage of inventory going on right now. As a visionary, I'm saying there's not a shortage on the street on this particular street, there's four vacant homes, right? That are dilapidated no one's lived in to an established investor, they say, oh, don't waste your money that those things are just garbage for a reason, but to a visionary. Right. And I've turned some vacant properties into like the most beautiful houses on the block. One of our concepts is find the ugliest home on the block because it actually has the same value as all the other homes, it's just ugly. But if you can turn that ugly home into a pretty home, it actually catches up to the value of all the other properties. And if you're not a visionary, or if you don't have the ability to envision yourself in a different state, in a different mind state, a different mental state, a different financial state, right? If you can't envision yourself doing those things, it's very hard to be successful because all you can see is what's in front of you. And I apply that to real estate if all you can see is a broken down, burnt down property, you won't be able to buy that property for 5,000 and sell it for 200,000. However, if you are a visionary and you've faced adversity and you've just envisioned yourself levels ahead and if you can envision yourself turning the corner to where the light is, you can do some wonderful things, man, it can really change your life. And becoming a visionary and becoming confident in yourself are things that I feel like you can control. Right? It's just a matter of you deciding, you know, you envisioning this property with new windows, new siding, new doors, new grass, and a picket fence. And now you're providing a beautiful place for a family to live that didn't exist before you started investing in it.

Michael: Yeah, that's really beautiful. And I think that applies to literally everything, right? I don't think you have to pigeonhole it into real estate. And, you know, recently I was sitting doing visualization, this is a huge part of my life is just thinking about possibility. So, many people are not solution-oriented and it's one of the things I push all the time in this show and in conversations about mental health is to look for solutions. And so, one of my biggest goals is I went to help five million men in America overcome childhood trauma. Right. And going and sitting in that vision, I had to reverse engineer it and go, okay, well, where do you begin? And I think so many people feel like the world is against them. Right? We're in a recession, everyone has a copious amount of debt, the world is always putting its weight on you, dude I literally bought almond butter the other day for $13. So, in this world that we're living in when you're trying to create wealth, but everything around you are debt. How do you really get into creating that vision? Cuz that's even something for me I want to think about, you know. I want to be a multimillionaire. I want to be super wealthy. I wanna end the generational debt curve of my holds family's lineage. So how do you actually do it, Charles?

Charles: I think you said it, man. You have to start with the end goal in mind, right? So, we'll just make the correlation real estate. Right. And I recently posted a video on this, not too long ago. My strategy is to find the ugliest property and turn it into the prettiest property on the block. So, we're finding ugly houses in neighborhoods where the value is already there and if you can really focus, I actually did a live with one of my mentees. And if you can really focus and lock in on what it's gonna look like at the end, right? You're gonna spend $5,000 on this vacant abandoned home that hasn't been lived in 10 years. But if your focus is these homes are selling for 250,000, and if you continue to keep that as your focus, when you put new windows in and they steal 'em, you won't be that hurt, right? You won't be that upset. You'll say, okay, I gotta now put the windows in last. And these are all obstacles and hurdles that come into play when you call the water company and they say they can't install the water line because it's been cut from the sewer to the house because no one's lived there for 10 years. You can be pushed back, you can feel defeated to some extent, but if you're focused on making $200,000, which is the end goal, whatever that end goal is that you can envision. If you're focused on that, you gonna say, alright, I just gotta wait a month. Right? You can still push and push and try and get that appointment sooner. But ultimately you say, all right, cool. I'm making $200,000 off of this deal. Right? And there's holes in the roofs and you don't get permits on time and things just happen to go wrong. But one of the things that we found that we had in common was we know the end goal is so sweet that the hurdles that come along with it, the obstacles, the defeat, the disappointment that comes in it actually, once you get there, it's actually minor. You immediately go buy another home and do it all over again. And you sign up for those obstacles and those hurdles and you hope to get better at 'em. Now that you've already accomplished that one goal. So, really it just comes down to when you create that vision, right? And you have the mental fortitude or the training now that you've challenged yourself so many times when you create those visions, the obstacles and we've come from places of adversity so we know how to handle it. And we actually expected, and you could almost build in a little bit of resiliency along the way. So, when you take a hit, it's not that bad, it's okay, we knew something would go wrong. But it's okay because we've been here before we've overcome obstacles and you almost get used to it. You almost become really good at it. And getting to the end goal is so much sweeter than had you given up or had you said to yourself, no, this is too hard when people say that, they're not focused on the end goal enough, they're focused on how hard it's gonna be, as opposed to how sweet it's gonna be. When you get that check at the closing or when you actually create passive income, like I do through real estate and I would teach my students to do through real estate, it's the sweetest thing. Yeah. It's tough to lift the house from the ground up and to change everything that you have to change in there, it's tough to coordinate with contractors. I have virtual assistance that now, you know, I've learned the process, the systems and process to do it. So, I have virtual assistance in place that will handle a lot of the coordinating between the contractors, the real estate agents and the municipalities to get these properties up. But if I didn't go through it for two years in a row and fight and battle, it wouldn't be so easy. Right. But you do it because I know it's at the end of it. Right. I'll have a block of properties. I'll change an entire community, right?

And these are the things that helped me. So, in Michigan, I bought an entire block of properties and I changed the entire community. Kids are now, they actually put a bus stop on the street that I changed those properties because it was now deemed a safe place for kids to walk, to get back and forth to the bus stop. Right. But I had that vision, I fought through seven different properties on one street, it's in Michigan. It was a street where they didn't turn the lights on because so few people lived.  So, at night, the DTE Detroit Energy didn't turn the lights onto that street because they had given up. But I saw the opportunity, I saw some older folks living there. I saw some kids living there and it wasn't a safe place for them to go outside. So, I decided, I'm gonna buy all of these properties and I specialize in buying properties from land banks, but I made an agreement with the land bank. I made an agreement with myself that not only am I gonna invest in this community for the profit, but I decided to invest in that community for the purpose. Right. So, it's twofold there. So now that street, they actually put a bus stop there. When I go on that block, the older folks come out and thank me, the kids, thank me, the parents, everyone is so proud of the work that I did there because I had the vision to fight through, to not only do it once, but just impact the entire street impact the entire community. And it just came from the vision, I had the vision to do it. Surrounding that area in Michigan, in the downtown area, there's tons of construction, but no one really felt like going in this particular area and doing it in that area. And I did and it's one of the most rewarding, impactful things that I've done in my entire life.

Michael: Man, that's beautiful and congratulations. You know, I often think growing up in the way that I did being in one of the most impoverished zip codes in the entire state of Indiana, really one of the most impoverished zip codes in the entire country, I would just look at all of the chaos of what that is. And I hope that people are really understanding the analogy that you're laying out like, real estate is the thing, you know, that's the thing that you understand. And so, it makes a lot of sense. Right. But when people, you can plug and plate anything into this conversation in life. You can take anything that you're curious about, that you're driven by, it could be the losing weight thing, it could be changing your mindset, it could be getting out of debt, it's always about massive amounts of focus, massive amounts of clarity, looking for solutions, the willingness to be patient, controlling the outcome. And just knowing that if you keep going, you're not going to fail. And I hope people will take that from this because you weren't given a silver spoon, you weren't handed anything. I mean, 11 people in one house, dude, I relate at one point there was like eight people in our two bedrooms like, I get it. It's like you, I didn't have my own bedroom till I was like 21 years old so, I totally understand. And you look at that and you go, that can be an obstacle or it can be a catapult and you have to make that decision. Charles, my friend, this conversation's just been absolutely incredible, before I ask you my last question, can you tell everyone where they can find you?

Charles: All right. So, @charlesjnoonan on Instagram, on Facebook, we have a page called hacking land bank properties, who I teach best practices for individuals to find a way to invest in real estate who come from similar backgrounds that I do with, you know, very little resources. So, those are the two main places where people contact me and, you know, whether they get mentorship advice, whether they subscribe and find my course or read my eBook, those are the main places that they can find me. And again, my Michael, I have to agree with you, it's a learned skill set, right? And I always say the mind controls the body. And if you could really focus on training your mind, then you can control your body. And now you just have to write out in your mind what your body is gonna do. Right. And now you're controlling, you're definitely almost so, yeah. Again, we wanna teach people, I'm driven with a passion to teach people that we need to start creating wealth and not creating debt and kind of like in the cycle. And I want folks particularly to start to catch up in real estate because I know we're a ways behind and I recently spoke about buying real estate that you can afford, but more importantly, buying real estate that we can afford to keep so we start to change the cycle because now we own these properties and we own them debt free. So, that's a mission that I've been really focused on and it's going really well, man. Somebody, the testimony that comes back to me is far more rewarding than anything that they can pay for to me, because it's really just about making change and having that winner's diet and transferring that to people and giving them the confidence to do the same thing.

Michael: Brother, I totally resonate. And I have massive appreciation for what you do, that's why I wanna have you on the show because I see possibility in the world and when I see it, I want to showcase it. Thank you very much. My last question for you, what does it mean to you to be unbroken?

Charles: It's everything, right? Being unbroken allows me to teach others to be unbroken. It allows me to show broken people that it's not over. You fell, but you have to be able to get up. Right. Things have happened to me like I said, at the beginning where I had every weak reason to quit, every reason to fail and people would be okay with that. But being able to think unbroken means that you fell yesterday, but today is a new day. So, let's move forward. Right? Whatever happened to you in the past that if we could just adapt the mindset that yesterday is over and today is a new day, so we can start and we can get better, even if it's in small increments that you'll find that you start to be unbroken then you'll start to build that mold to where you're unbreakable.

Michael: Brilliantly said my friend. Thank you so much for being here. Unbroken Nation. Thank you so much for listening.

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